Anyone mounting wheels on 4/2 at Thunderbolt?

[blueninja1]

Hello everyone,

As the title of the thread implies, I want to ask if anyone will be available to mount a set of wheels with the tires already on them. I could do it at a shop around here but they really take advantage with the inflated prices and I don't want to get robbed with the towing expenses as well. I would greatly appreciate it if anyone could help me out. The rear tires won't pass tech, so if someone was able to help, would I get a chance to check into tech later in the day or would the tires have to be changed before tech inspection?

[JohnS]

The rims will need to be off the bike, then it is about $20 a wheel to have them changed.

No point in going to tech if your bike wont pass. Get it done then find a CR to tech it.

John

[ontheR6]

Congrats on the new bike B!

do u mean that u have a spare set of wheels that have fresh rubber, and u just want to replace the wheels that r already on the bike?
did i understand u correctly?

[LOrtega]

The NESBA tire service truck will be there....
if you need specific tires you should order them now or contact the shop and make sure they will have the tires you need on the truck...get to the track early and get your wheels to the truck swapped and back on your bike ASAP....

Tech is open at different intervals throught out the day...however only morning tech inspection is at a scheduled time all other Tech Inspections are handled on a as needed basis and as long as there is a person available to tech it...

You could lose track time if you do not tech at the pre determined time..

Please do your best to be early and ready and we will help you as much as we can....

[HondaGalToo]

I think the wheels on the bike have tires that won't pass tech. He has a spare set of wheels with rubber on that set that will pass tech that he needs help putting on the bike. Is that correct? I assume you don't have stands for the bike? Post up with some more info: Does the bike have spools? I ask because there's some stands that only work with spools, so if you're needing to borrow stands, someone will need to know what type of stand is needed (a bike with spools or no spools). You'll want to invest in at least a couple of sockets...the ones for the front and rear axles. They can be very different sizes on different bikes. I'm sure someone will have sockets to remove things like the brake calipers and axle pinch bolts, but they may not have the specific sized sockets needed for your axles. Post up the year and model of the bike, maybe someone has those size sockets.

It's not a difficult task, you'll want to invest in the service manual and some basic tools and learn to do it.

[blueninja1]

thx onther6!

yeah you are correct my man. i have a spare set of wheels with relatively fresh rubber and i would like them to replace the wheels currently on the bike. i wonder if they could do it right before morning tech. Would the current wheels on the bike cost extra to take off?

[blueninja1]

it's a 2001 yamaha r6. i'll try and get some pics up of it later in the afternoon for you guys.

[JohnS]

thx onther6!

yeah you are correct my man. i have a spare set of wheels with relatively fresh rubber and i would like them to replace the wheels currently on the bike. i wonder if they could do it right before morning tech. Would the current wheels on the bike cost extra to take off?


There is no them, it is you. You need to do that or arrange to have it done at a shop or by some friends.

[HondaGalToo]

thx onther6!

yeah you are correct my man. i have a spare set of wheels with relatively fresh rubber and i would like them to replace the wheels currently on the bike. i wonder if they could do it right before morning tech. Would the current wheels on the bike cost extra to take off?

Correct, as JohnS said. The tire guys replace the tires on the wheels that you have to remove and bring over to them. They do not put the wheels on or off the bike for you.

You may get some folks attending that day that will be kind enough to help you. But you'll need to supply the info I stated in my above post with regards to the type of stands needed and the axle socket sizes.

[blueninja1]

The rears are 32mm nuts. Not sure about the spool stands but I believe they may work according to the r6 forum i think people have been using them, but i'm not positive on that one. Can anyone with an 99-01 r6 chime in. They share the same parts manual so should be the same.

[Lean It]

The rims will need to be off the bike, then it is about $20 a wheel to have them changed.

No point in going to tech if your bike wont pass. Get it done then find a CR to tech it.

John

$20? that's it? i paid 35 for each one in a local dealership

[HondaGalToo]

Not sure about the spool stands but I believe they may work according to the r6 forum i think people have been using them, but i'm not positive on that one.

Just go look at your bike and see if it has spools or not.

[blueninja1]

oh lol i look like an ass!

yeah the rears have spools but i can't see em on the fronts. thats cool though because i just need the rear wheel swapped if worse comes to worse.

[HondaGalToo]

oh lol i look like an ass!

yeah the rears have spools but i can't see em on the fronts. thats cool though because i just need the rear wheel swapped if worse comes to worse.

The front doesn't have spools. It may have axle sliders, but you wouldn't lift the bike from those.

[blueninja1]

ok cool. dam i don't know nuffin

[ontheR6]

ok cool. dam i don't know nuffin
Don't worry about that, we were all there! That's what's so awesome about nesba, we're all family here and eager to help, just ask!

[blueninja1]

ugh off to class!! gotta burn that midnight oil. i'll see ya guys when i get back late tonight.

[kawaholic]

COME ON MAN!!!!!

you've got almost 3 weeks to get this done. do yourself a favor and get it done BEFORE you get to the track. the last thing you want to be doing before your FIRST trackday is scrambling around trying to change wheels. it's nice to have stands for the job but you don't NEED them. tie the damned thing to a tree in your yard if you have to and lift it with some straps.

[Dave561]

ok cool. dam i don't know nuffin

This is so begging for further comment.

[ninjamansc]

ok cool. dam i don't know nuffin

Yep. Including the finer points of spelling, capitalization, and grammar.

[HondaGalToo]

This is so begging for further comment.

Isn't it, though?

[kawaholic]

oh lol i look like an ass!

ok cool. dam i don't know nuffin

This is so begging for further comment.

:agree:

lol...it was difficult to leave that alone

[Ballpeen]

this is gonna be an interesting year.... . . .



blueninja. I should be there as long as I can get my stuff together by then. Shoot me a PM as we get closer and I will help you that morning. If I dont end up making it you dont have to worry about nuffin ;) .. just ask and people will help. Get ready for a fun year.

[slowpoke]

..... do yourself a favor and get it done BEFORE you get to the track. the last thing you want to be doing before your FIRST trackday is scrambling around trying to change wheels.

This is great advice. do whatever you can to get it done before your first trackday. Like kawa said, you've got 3 weeks to find somebody that will help you change the wheels. Maybe the guy you bought the bike from OR a local nesbian or other rider.

Worst case, people at the track will help you get it done that morning or the night before. I will have stands and tools to loan you, but I can't guarantee I can change them for you the morning of since I'll be working tech.

PS - This officially means that you are prohibited from giving out mechanical advice:poorguy:

[blankwall]

big red f150 ill be there early got stands and stuff to help. You can even buy my stands off me if youd like.

[kawaholic]

This officially means that you are prohibited from giving out mechanical advice:poorguy:

:haha:

[D-Zum]

This is so begging for further comment.

Ask and Ye shall receive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34ag4nkSh7Q&feature=related

[D-Zum]

oh lol i look like an ass!


I'm on a roll tonight!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYv2lHO7xSo

[D-Zum]

$20? that's it? i paid 35 for each one in a local dealership

No-Mar Tire Changer


That's all you have to say.

At that rate after about seven tire set changes...it's paid for itself.

[blueninja1]

i'll try my best to get it done within these 3 weeks. i got a lot on my plate including some other mechanical repairs as well but i'll manage best i can. thx for all the support guys. you guys are the best!

[dbarufaldi]

Doesn't Chaim do tires/wheels? It's at the shop now, just have him do it, no?

Dan B

i'll try my best to get it done within these 3 weeks. i got a lot on my plate including some other mechanical repairs as well but i'll manage best i can. thx for all the support guys. you guys are the best!

[blueninja1]

Lol u mean Haym. I asked if he does wheels/tires but he said he doesn't. It's cool though. The bike's actually sitting in the driveway. I'll call him over to do the repairs.

[HondaGalToo]

A shop will do the other mechanical work, but they don't change wheels?

[JRA]

If you are going to take this on as a hobby and eventually want to race you will absolutely have to learn to do this yourself because you are going to be doing this a lot. Even for a first timer swapping both front and rear wheels is a thirty minute job. I'm sure the service manual is available online. Look it up.

[HondaGalToo]

If you are going to take this on as a hobby and eventually want to race you will absolutely have to learn to do this yourself because you are going to be doing this a lot. Even for a first timer swapping both front and rear wheels is a thirty minute job. I'm sure the service manual is available online. Look it up.

Yeah, even a girl can do it. I don't even break a nail, LOL. :D

[D-Zum]

If you are going to take this on as a hobby and eventually want to race you will absolutely have to learn to do this yourself because you are going to be doing this a lot. Even for a first timer swapping both front and rear wheels is a thirty minute job. I'm sure the service manual is available online. Look it up.

http://www.r6messagenet.com/forums/r6-maintenance-technical/39254-r6-service-maintenance-repair-manual.html

[blueninja1]

thx d-zum i'll have a look at it this afternoon. i'm off to an interview. wish me luck!

[fitz]

but I can't guarantee I can change them for you the morning of


If you do change his wheels I want pictures...:D

:spank:

[slowpoke]

i figure it's the least i can do since i'll be learning how to back it in that day.

plus, CRs showed me how to do it so i'd be a bigger dick (than i already am according to you fitz) if i didn't pay it forward.

[fitz]

(than i already am according to you fitz) .

You're still my favorite CR :)

fitz

[slowpoke]

you just like my enthusiastic descriptions of your passes at Summit:D

[Twiztedjester55]

You're still my favorite CR :)

fitz

You obviously haven't met very many CRs

[blueninja1]

well boys im off to the shop to get an oil pan gasket. gona get a new waterpump and oilpump installed tomorrow and hopefully she runs like brand new again. will update yall. cya soon.

[Mikey75702]

What happened to the oil pump??

[blueninja1]

dannyboy didn't drain all of the waterwetter for the winter and it froze up and one day midwinter he started it up and that broke the shaft of the waterpump and oilpump because they are interlocked.

[dbarufaldi]

I categorically deny that happened......it was technically early winter.

I would have been fine if I just hadn't touch the starter button after draining the water. I assumed that since there was water coming out of the system, it was all thawed...wrong...the mass of the cold motor kept the water in the water pump frozen a little longer than the rest, so it was locked up tight. Nice healthy battery turning over the motor, and snap-o went the shafts.

Dan B


dannyboy didn't drain all of the waterwetter for the winter and it froze up and one day midwinter he started it up and that broke the shaft of the waterpump and oilpump because they are interlocked.

[Mikey75702]

Glad it didn't actually run...... that would have toasted the bearings too.

[dbarufaldi]

No - it runs just fine. Oil pump works fine, it's chain driven, it just no longer drives the water pump, so the only problem you have is overheating, and the shrapnel that dropped into the pan.


Glad it didn't actually run...... that would have toasted the bearings too.

[kawaholic]

A shop will do the other mechanical work, but they don't change wheels?

yeah, i don't get that. i can understand if he doesn't have a tire machine and doesn't wanna mess with it but swapping a wheel/ wheels with tires already mounted :confused:

Yeah, even a girl can do it. I don't even break a nail, LOL.

:haha:

You're still my favorite CR :)

fitz

you two need to get a room!!! :D

[blueninja1]

i currently have michelin pilot powers on the bike and the spare wheels have diablo corsas. The current rear tire on the bike is chewed up so i want to swap it for the diablo corsa rear. My mechanic said he can swap wheels. So i pose the question: is it okay to have a michelin pilot power front tire paired with a diablo corsa rear tire? OR should I have him swap both out and have matching front and rears? How long should this fix take for him to do?

Also, it was raining this morning when i woke up and since the water pump is off some rainwater probably got in the oil pan. Should I worry about this? I stuffed a rubber glove in the exposed area to stop any more water from getting in lol.

The repair being done tomorrow is replacing the oil and water pumps. Oil and filter change, and new coolant (water wetter) added.

[HondaGalToo]

I'm not a fan of mixing tire brands, that's generally not recommended. Particularly when one is a hypersport street tire (the Michelin Pilot Power), and the other is a DOT race tire (the Diablo supercorsa). At least that's my assumption when you say "diablo corsa". Can you be more specific with the name of the Pirelli...is it the Diablo supercorsa, which is the DOT race tire, or is it the Diablo rosso corsa, which is a hypersport street tire?

Dunno about the water, but I would have the oil changed, which you're planning on doing.

If you have to store the bike outside, I'd get a cover for it.

[slowpoke]

personally, I don't mix tire brands.

as for wheel change, it shouldn't take a mechanic more than 10-15 mins for both wheels.

[blueninja1]

okay i'll get both wheels swapped out to be on the safe side. with respect to the oil, usually it is cycled through the bike for a minute or two to warm up so it will drain out better and more thoroughly (less viscous when warm). but because some rainwater may have been caught in the exposed oil pan overnight, what precaution should i take and what method should my mechanic use to drain all of the oil out without causing harm to the engine.

[bmart]

A little water will never hurt it. See picture on right: http://www.sjaaklucassen.nl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=119&Itemid=68&lang=en&limitstart=1

:doh:

There's a great video about this guy floating around too. I love the shot of it shooting water from the inlet out the exhaust pipe after getting out of a river! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThO-w9SCM8I go to about 4:15.

With regard to the tires, you aren't likely to to notice anything unless you are pushing them.

[Mikey75702]

okay i'll get both wheels swapped out to be on the safe side. with respect to the oil, usually it is cycled through the bike for a minute or two to warm up so it will drain out better and more thoroughly (less viscous when warm). but because some rainwater may have been caught in the exposed oil pan overnight, what precaution should i take and what method should my mechanic use to drain all of the oil out without causing harm to the engine.

Just have him drain it. It doesnt need to be run. That just makes it faster to drain, but it also mixes up the oil and pumps some of it to the top of the engine that probably wont get changed with the oil. If you drain it while cold after sitting for a decent lengrh of time, it will drain a small bit more oil out.

[HondaGalToo]

Just have him drain it. It doesnt need to be run. That just makes it faster to drain, but it also mixes up the oil and pumps some of it to the top of the engine that probably wont get changed with the oil. If you drain it while cold after sitting for a decent lengrh of time, it will drain a small bit more oil out.

Agreed, I wouldn't run it first, just drain it.

[dbarufaldi]

Brendon,

I agree - would not use the different tires in this case. Since you're a newbie, it's probably a non-issue because I don't think you'll be pushing as hard, but safe is better. Also, remember especially with the Super Corsa tires to warm them up a few laps before pushing. Very important.

The bike currently does not have oil or coolant in it, as I mentioned. When the water pump was removed, the coolant was drained, and the oil level of the bike was right below the passage in the block for the waterpump, so it was drained to avoid sloshing out once I found out you'd be transporting it as is. Also, since the repair involves removing the oil pan, the first step would always be to drain the oil. Since the pan will be off, the water is a non issue as long we're not talking about standing water in the pan for a long time. If there's any water, it will be evident, and your mechanic should be able to blow it out and be done. All the engine internals have a nice coat of oil, since the bike was running just a few days ago.

Since you are asking, I tried to think of other possible issues you might encounter (sounds like mechanics is not your first trade :) )... Don't forget that the shaft ends on the WP and OP sheared off and dropped into the pan. The pan needs to be thoroughly cleaned to remove any parts (my guess is they are big chunks rather than tiny fragments). Once reassembled, I would add oil, run the bike for a few minutes (stationary), then drain the oil again and change the oil and filter. This will help with any possible left over shrapnel. Also, when the oil pump is apart, be sure your mechanic inspects and cleans the oil pickup strainer, in case there are bits there, too.

Once the wheels are mounted, the bike should be ridden at slow speeds and checked. The spare wheels and tires were never mounted when I owned the bike, so I don't know from experience the condition of the rotors, bearings, etc (I disclosed this prior to the sale). In the event a rotor is out of round or some such, that's the time to find out, when you can do something about it.

For the spare rear wheel, there is a spare sprocket and cush drive. You can decide which to use (the one on the bike or the one in the spare bin). If you use the spare, remember that this bike was converted to a 520 chain, so be sure the spare sprocket is a 520 sprocket - again, never mounted so never checked. Also, there is a machined spacer that goes inside the wheel, between the bearings and the cush drive. This prevents you compressing the cush drive into the wheel when you tighten the axle. Be sure that's installed properly. There is one on the installed wheel and another in the spares bin.


okay i'll get both wheels swapped out to be on the safe side. with respect to the oil, usually it is cycled through the bike for a minute or two to warm up so it will drain out better and more thoroughly (less viscous when warm). but because some rainwater may have been caught in the exposed oil pan overnight, what precaution should i take and what method should my mechanic use to drain all of the oil out without causing harm to the engine.

[HondaGalToo]

Brendon,

I agree - would not use the different tires in this case. Since you're a newbie, it's probably a non-issue because I don't think you'll be pushing as hard, but safe is better. Also, remember especially with the Super Corsa tires to warm them up a few laps before pushing. Very important.



This. Keep this in mind. The supercorsa is a DOT race tire and will take at least a couple of laps to warm up, since I assume you will not be using tire warmers.

[PJZOCC624]

I'm not a fan of mixing tire brands, that's generally not recommended. Particularly when one is a hypersport street tire (the Michelin Pilot Power), and the other is a DOT race tire (the Diablo supercorsa)..


:agree: .... sorta.

If you're talking a bike with suspension set-up for a particular tire brand I'd agree 100%, or for mixing tire "types" (ie. street and dot-race), or maybe for an "I" group paced rider.

For his bike, pace, etc... I don't think it matters really, as long as the tires aren't OLD and worn out.

FWIW, last season I did a half day at Beave and a day at T'Bolt with a Michelin Power-ONE front, and a D211 rear. (out of necessity).

I also used to run a Power RACE-MED front with a Power 2CT rear :eek: on my 1000RR
:haha: (so much for MY theories!)

:D

[Saltman]

Preferably, I'd run the same tire on front / back. It's better. But in a fix, it's not uncommon for people to run different brands on front / back. I've done it with a Michelin Pilot Power front and Dunlop Q2 rear.

It should take him about 30 mins tops for 2 tires - if he knows what he's doing. If you take the wheels off before hand for him, it'll take considerably less time.

[blueninja1]

anyone know how long it should take to replace water pump and oil pump? All fluids are drained and the waterpump is already off. It's an 01 R6. Oil pan has to be dropped and oil pump taken out. I'm not sure what else has to be done to get to it. He said a few hours estimate to complete the repair but it seems like it should only take an hour.

[Dave561]

Probably need to drop the exhaust for clearance on the pan. THe water pump is 2 bolts on a lot of bikes. Not too sure on the oil pump as I've never replaced one before. Depending on bodywork I would think 2-3 hours is adequate

[fitz]

This is waaayyy better than reality TV!

I just can't wait for the next "episode"!

:popcorn:

[Mikey75702]

anyone know how long it should take to replace water pump and oil pump? All fluids are drained and the waterpump is already off. It's an 01 R6. Oil pan has to be dropped and oil pump taken out. I'm not sure what else has to be done to get to it. He said a few hours estimate to complete the repair but it seems like it should only take an hour.

Depends... you keep talking about an oil pan (never worked on a yamaha, might have one, idk) but on my bike you would have to drop the engine, and split the cases..... definitely not a 1 hour job on my bike, probably not a 1 hour job on your bike. And if the guy is going to do it at your house, I would imagine he is doing it as side work not as a mobile bike repair..... if so, that should make things cheaper as most of us charge less per hour for side work then we would if you brought it to our shops.

If you are looking for a price.... I would probably budget for 6 hours labor at his labor rate... should cover his estimate of "a few hours".... then if it only takes him 2 hours you can be happy you saved money :D

[rk97]

Yeah, even a girl can do it. I don't even break a nail, LOL. :D

you must be better at changing tires than me! I always get it done just fine, but it also involves a lot of cursing :D

[dbarufaldi]

I was there for the conversaion and what I heard him say was it would take 3-4 hours approximately, and at his $65/hour rate, would be roughly $250-$300 labor if the case doesn't neet splitting. More if it did.

It's definitely not a one hour job. Exhaust has to come off....exhaust hardware can be stubborn. Then the oil pan has to come out, get cleaned completely and have the gasket scraped off. The bottom end has to be inspected for any hidden shrapnel. Then the oil pump removal - two bolts, I think, but also a bunch of tubes, o-rings, etc. There is a chain which will complicate things. Then new pump goes on, new gasket, pan goes back in, oil send (if not part of pan) goes in separately. Torque in a pattern. Then the exhaust goes back on. New oil, new water + water wetter, start and run a while, burp the cooling system, shut down, drop oil and filter, replace. Re-wire the drain plug and oil filter. Then the body work goes back on (lowers).

That's without the wheels. And if he's like most professional mechanics, if you stick around and ask him 1000 questions, it will take twice as long....

Don't get cheap now...you got the bike for a good price, free parts and $100 toward the labor. Let the professional make a living and let him do a safe, careful job so it doesn't grenade on the first straight.

Just one man's opinion.

Dan B




anyone know how long it should take to replace water pump and oil pump? All fluids are drained and the waterpump is already off. It's an 01 R6. Oil pan has to be dropped and oil pump taken out. I'm not sure what else has to be done to get to it. He said a few hours estimate to complete the repair but it seems like it should only take an hour.

[D-Zum]

anyone know how long it should take to replace water pump and oil pump? All fluids are drained and the waterpump is already off. It's an 01 R6. Oil pan has to be dropped and oil pump taken out. I'm not sure what else has to be done to get to it. He said a few hours estimate to complete the repair but it seems like it should only take an hour.

RTFM

http://www.r6messagenet.com/forums/r...ir-manual.html

:rtfm::rtfm::rtfm::rtfm:

[Joboo]

This is waaayyy better than reality TV!

I just can't wait for the next "episode"!

:popcorn:

:agree:

[blueninja1]

yeah i looked at the manual again and looked at all the things that had to be disassembled. its gona take a few hours. np, i'll dish out the cash

[HondaGalToo]

you must be better at changing tires than me! I always get it done just fine, but it also involves a lot of cursing :D

Oh, the wheels on and off, not the tires! Except I get sick of chasing the damned spacers!

Actually, now that we have a No-Mar, tire changes have much, much less cursing involved!! Took a bit to get the technique down, but now I can change the tires fairly quickly.

[blueninja1]

bike is running like brand new all fixed up. tires are great as well. only 2 issues remain. the lower fairing is secure but my mechanic said if i wanted to make things hold perfectly i would need an L bracket. Would i be required to get one in order to pass tech. Also the shift linkage is stripping my screws every time we tried to put one in, therefore we put a screw in but it wont go all the way through, but it still holds well. Will i pass tech?

-brendon

[slowpoke]

difficult to "pass or fail" tech from the forum. that said, if everything is secure you won't have a problem.

not sure what the difference in secure vs perfect is on bodywork. i'm also not following what exactly is stripped with your shift linkage, but I'd want that sorted out if it were my bike regardless of what any tech inpsection were to say. losing your shifter on track can be scary as hell especially when you need a downshift going into T3 at Jennings ---- not that I would know that:wow:

[blueninja1]

tell me if u can see the pics

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv239/bluenavy/03-17-11_1348.jpg?t=1300384907
http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv239/bluenavy/03-17-11_1349.jpg?t=1300384984

[jtsgsxr6]

If it's getting through to the other half of the clamp, get a shorter bolt.

[blueninja1]

its gettin through, prolly half away inside the other clamp if not more (my guess). My mechanic sorted through his bolt box and figured that would be the best fit. It doesn't get in the way of anything. Should it pass?

[jtsgsxr6]

It's iffy, you're going to get questioned on it I bet though. Ideally you should run a tap through it and clean up the threads. Is it getting stuck or does start in then let loose?

[blueninja1]

he says that it starts in okay but then has trouble grabbing because the clamps have stripped threads the more you go in.

[Twiztedjester55]

I would run it all the way through and put a nut on the other side.

[blueninja1]

it won't grab though, it just turns.

[Twiztedjester55]

Then run a tap or thread chaser through it, that should give you enough thread to get through and then put a nut on it with blue locktite.

[Mikey75702]

Then try to hit ebay and get another.... I have had my shift linkage come apart on a backroads run..... scared the living help out of me.... I could only imagine how bad it would have been on the track.

[jtsgsxr6]

Yep either, replace it, drill through and put a nut on the end of it, or helicoil. Preferably replace.

[blueninja1]

i hit up ebay but im sol. they don't have the clamp part of the linkage. i'm trying to look up on the internet manual the part number, not having much luck so far finding the dam thing. Running a tap through it sounds like the easiest thing to do, but i will probably eff it up if i do it myself and i don't live near a machine shop i dont think (yes im clumsy as shit with tools lol). i gotta figure out something because i want it to go all the way through and fit perfect so no issues will come up at tech.

[slowpoke]

Then run a tap or thread chaser through it, that should give you enough thread to get through and then put a nut on it with blue locktite.

:agree:

OR buy a new shift knucle and bolt.

It will not pass tech as is b/c it would be a safety concern.

[blueninja1]

eeerm can someone help me find the part number please and what kind of bolt goes in it? havin a heck of a time here. i'll order it asap as soon as i find out.

[slowpoke]

i hit up ebay but im sol. they don't have the clamp part of the linkage. i'm trying to look up on the internet manual the part number, not having much luck so far finding the dam thing. Running a tap through it sounds like the easiest thing to do, but i will probably eff it up if i do it myself and i don't live near a machine shop i dont think (yes im clumsy as shit with tools lol). i gotta figure out something because i want it to go all the way through and fit perfect so no issues will come up at tech.

these are the part numbers for an 01 R6 -

The prices listed are retail and you should be able to find them for at least 20-30% online.

#13 is shift knucle and #17 is bolt.

You can also call A&J Cycle Salvage in Philadelphia OR motorcycleparts2u.com in Vegas and either should have it in stock at 50% off OEM prices for used.


13 ARM, SHIFT
5EB-18112-01-00 1 $54.05



17 BOLT, FLANGE
95814-06020-00 (replaces 95824-06020-00) 1 $1.73

[Twiztedjester55]

try Mark Rozema at www.markbiltracebikes.com he works on a lot of Yamahas and his shop is right next to NJMP. He might have something and he will probably be at the track that weekend anyways

[blueninja1]

okay thx guys, also gona call in my local motorcycle shop. will update with details soon.

[blueninja1]

will i pass tech without a fairing stay for the lower fairing? i believe thats the part that i'm missing for the bodywork.

[blueninja1]

hmmm he said i need an L bracket whatever that is. never mind i dont know jack!

[blueninja1]

okay guys off to the shop to order everything. the bike will be perfect within a week and in time for the track. wanna thank everyone for their help once again! cya at the track.

[Macon663]

this thread needs more WIN

[blueninja1]

good morning everyone,

i just got my liability release form for the upcoming trackday and my bike number is 450 in the e-mail message. However, I have a bike number on my windscreen (333- dan's old number). My question is, can I use number 333 and just have them change their records at tech?

[Mikey75702]

good morning everyone,

i just got my liability release form for the upcoming trackday and my bike number is 450 in the e-mail message. However, I have a bike number on my windscreen (333- dan's old number). My question is, can I use number 333 and just have them change their records at tech?

Go to your account, change your bike # to 333.... then go to the tab that says "my events". Click the event, down the bottom right it will say send release form or something like that. If it updates you are good, if not send one of the directors (ie, kubricky) a pm or email info at nesba.com and ask them to help you.

[rk97]

you can change your number on your account now (you'll have to log into www.nesba.com though - can't do it from the forum) and re-print your registration receipt, or you can just ask them to note it during tech.

the big deal is that if a corner worker complains about "orange #80" breaking the rules, the directors just need to be able to pull your name if it comes to that.

or, on a more serious note, if you were to crash, they might need to look up your emergency contact based on your bike number if you're unconscious...

[blueninja1]

okay cool. i was able to change it just as you guys said. thanks for explaining the background to me as well.

[blueninja1]

interesting question:

has anyone chanced it and took their trackday bike around the block to see if everything was in good working order? Any interesting stories? Here's mine, happened just this afternoon. I tweaked my tire pressures, filled up the gas tank, and gave it the once-over. Decided to take it around the block to make sure nothing was mechanically wrong. Thought to myself, wouldn't it be a bitch to get pulled over by the cops for going around the block? Figured it was a risk but not probable. Waddayaknow?, at the end of my block a police van passes by right in front of me and slows down almost to a stop. I almost shit myself waiting at the stop sign, wondering if they will reverse and take my bike away, but they eventually drive off. I saw the lady look right at me. I'm one lucky SOB. Continued to take it around the block and pulled into the driveway thanking jesus.

[Mikey75702]

interesting question:

has anyone chanced it and took their trackday bike around the block to see if everything was in good working order? Any interesting stories? Here's mine, happened just this afternoon. I tweaked my tire pressures, filled up the gas tank, and gave it the once-over. Decided to take it around the block to make sure nothing was mechanically wrong. Thought to myself, wouldn't it be a bitch to get pulled over by the cops for going around the block? Figured it was a risk but not probable. Waddayaknow?, at the end of my block a police van passes by right in front of me and slows down almost to a stop. I almost shit myself waiting at the stop sign, wondering if they will reverse and take my bike away, but they eventually drive off. I saw the lady look right at me. I'm one lucky SOB. Continued to take it around the block and pulled into the driveway thanking jesus.

I take mine up the street, but the only cop that comes down here normally is the neighbors son in-law. And him and I are pretty cool. So very limited risk for me. If there was a bigger risk, I wouldn't do it.

[HondaGalToo]

Nope. My track-only bike stays on the track. If I really had the need to test it (that hasn't happened), maybe I'd trailer it to a parking lot, but even then, I'd still be trespassing....

[jtsgsxr6]

I do it on occasion, but it's still registered and insured just no lights and such. No probs yet.

[fitz]

Out here in the country we have dirt bikes, atvs, and occasionally me testing my out my bike, on the street. And once in awhile the city cop that lives across the street taking out his horse and buggy.

fitz

[Hambone]

he says that it starts in okay but then has trouble grabbing because the clamps have stripped threads the more you go in.

Brother, you really need to get in touch with your inner mechanic. I wouldn't even consider running a bike with a stripped out bolt. Just get a new part. Call Bikebandit or someone with a parts list. Get yourself a service manual and some tools.

As far as tech inspection, my experience is that the inspectors want to see that everything is sealed, tight and secure. If you have to ask whether or not something will pass inspection, now is you time to address that problem. Fix it before you get to the track. A half broken part might pass but it is still a little too dangerous for a race track.

As far as swapping wheels, you should be able to do that in less than an hour. Personally, I would make sure that my tires are from the same manufacturer and have the same compound. I wouldn't want a new race tire in the back and an old street tire in the front.

I caught this thread a little late but I had to add to it because I remember an earlier (just as long) thread where "backin-it-in" was mentioned as well as a bump to intermediate (or advanced) on the first day being guaranteed.

[rk97]

I do it on occasion, but it's still registered and insured just no lights and such. No probs yet.

You're in a slightly different position then. If I were a police officer, insurance would be the biggie. Not having lights and turn signals is illegal, sure, but it's a ticket; not an immediate impound of your bike.

I try to limit my street excursions to just my actual street, and if an officer were to stop me, I'd like to think a cooperative demeanor would get me off with, "how about you walk the bike home," at worst. The police have been to my house before for a noise complaint (i started my bike at like 11:00 one night after I got home from school and wanted to make sure it was ready for the trackday I had coming up). They got there at 11:15, and said, "how about you turn the bike off, and we pretend we got here at 10:59?" (before the 11:00 noise curfew).

[blueninja1]

hey hambone,

just wanted to update ya. i got the wheels changed, pilot powers are on the front and supercorsas on the rear. they are in good shape and shouldn't be too much of an issue with the pressures adjusted throughout the day. right now i'm running 31/26 cold. i'll have to adjust based on how the bike is handling at track speed.

i did in fact order the new shift knuckle and connecting bolt. it's sitting in my room and i've arranged for mark from markbilt to change it out for me on saturday morning. bike is in sound mechanical condition otherwise and everything else is secure. are ya goin to the trackday on 4/2?

in reference to rk97, noise curfews sound insane lol. you must live in a really quiet town.

random side-note: the weather is beautiful today and feels rather comfy at 46 degrees. It's looking good for thunderbolt if it hits 50's and doesn't rain. Fingers crossed.

[Mikey75702]

Not trying to take money away from Mark, but for the price you are going to pay him you should really find a Sears, and buy a set of wrenches. Then you can change that knuckle yourself. It isn't hard. And once you change it, you can decide if you want standard shift or gp shift.... and you can use that to make major adjustments to the position of the shift lever.

[kawaholic]

:agree: eeez peeez

like hambone said..."get in touch with your inner mechanic"

not so sure i'd want to be mixing tire brands like that but i hope it all works out for ya.

ps, i'm glad the law didn't hassle you and take your bike...i'd hate for you to miss out on schooling all the cr's this weekend...:D

i wish i could be there to witness this event in person. can we get a pay per view event set up for this? lol...ok...ok...i'll stop now...

PLEASE BE SAFE OUT THERE!!! check your ego at the gate when you arrive...

[blueninja1]

meh, 20 bucks is no biggie. i guess i'm just lazy.

[HondaGalToo]

:
not so sure i'd want to be mixing tire brands like that but i hope it all works out for ya.

Yeah, agree. I don't like even mixing brands of the same type of tire. You're mixing brands and type...you've got a hypersport street tire on the front, and a race tire on the rear. Be aware of that.


:
PLEASE BE SAFE OUT THERE!!! check your ego at the gate when you arrive...

Yup, 'nuff said there. Agreed.

[Twiztedjester55]

Not trying to take money away from Mark, but for the price you are going to pay him you should really find a Sears, and buy a set of wrenches. Then you can change that knuckle yourself. It isn't hard. And once you change it, you can decide if you want standard shift or gp shift.... and you can use that to make major adjustments to the position of the shift lever.

It would be a lot better idea to pay Mark to do it this first time but watch and learn, it is obvious he is not mechanically inclined and something like that is something you don't won't to figure out you did it wrong when you are on the track.

[Hambone]

I am glad to hear that you are moving along. I won't be able to get on the track until mid May or later. I have some issues that I need to address before then.

Have a great time. I am sure you will. Then you will begin to see that less talk and more listening is the way to go. Right now you are saying that 20 bucks is no biggie but when you really feel the addiction kick in (as I am sure you will), that 20 buck comes out of your consumables such as gas, tires, brake pads, beer, etc. You will then either learn to do a lot of your own work, or you will continue to have to rely on someone else and at their convenience.

But you are not alone, bro. We all started somewhere. I remember my first track day at pocono. I rented an Enterprise van and used a 6 foot plank of wood to load the bike (almost killed myself). I had two weak ass tiedown straps (the bike tipped over on my way home). I had a 2 gallon gas tank that I used for my lawn mower and not so much as a tire gauge for tools. Now, after sucking as much advice and wisdom out of these good folks here, and listening intently to what they have to say, I am much more independant. Like a lot of folks here, I change my own tires and do my own repairs and maintenance. A lot of people in NESBA have been this for so long that they don't even know that they know so much. So ask a lot of questions but be willing to try what they say.

My advice to you is to not only ask the questions (like you have been) but to also take some of the advice. If you intend to be around the racetrack for any length of time, you need to soften that skull and open your mind, young fella!

Have a great time at the track and remember: LISTEN!

[Mikey75702]

meh, 20 bucks is no biggie. i guess i'm just lazy.


I wish I had your money... that $20 could go to the air fence fund or something.

If you want to learn how to do it, bring a bottle of medium strength locktite and look for me in the paddock before 7 am.


It would be a lot better idea to pay Mark to do it this first time but watch and learn, it is obvious he is not mechanically inclined and something like that is something you don't won't to figure out you did it wrong when you are on the track.

I have guessed he is not mechanically inclined, but it isn't rocket science. You slip an arm onto a shaft, put a bolt in it, tighten as needed, and put a nut on the stud to hold the linkage on. And on my bike, the shaft is even notched so the bolt won't go in unless you have the arm on far enough.

[blueninja1]

Hey mikey,

I may take you up on your offer. I would like to learn to do it. I was planning on watching my mechanic do it but I was on the phone when he did the repair. I feel much more comfortable when I actually see how the repair should be done. I'm definitely not the most mechanically inclined, but I pick up quick.

What's the use of the loctite? I thought you just screw the bolt into the shift knuckle holes and it's secure.

[Mikey75702]

It does, but as has been said before.... racebikes vibrate A LOT. so its better to use a drop of loctite on it so it doesn't vibrate loose. Put a drop on the bolt that holds the arm to the shaft, and put another drop on the stud that holds the linkage. If I remember, I will put a bottle in the trailer. Look for a green and tan explorer and a black trailer.

[blueninja1]

Okay cool. Lookin forward to meetin ya!

[fitz]

I am glad to hear that you are moving along. I won't be able to get on the track until mid May or later. I have some issues that I need to address before then.

Have a great time. I am sure you will. Then you will begin to see that less talk and more listening is the way to go. Right now you are saying that 20 bucks is no biggie but when you really feel the addiction kick in (as I am sure you will), that 20 buck comes out of your consumables such as gas, tires, brake pads, beer, etc. You will then either learn to do a lot of your own work, or you will continue to have to rely on someone else and at their convenience.

But you are not alone, bro. We all started somewhere. I remember my first track day at pocono. I rented an Enterprise van and used a 6 foot plank of wood to load the bike (almost killed myself). I had two weak ass tiedown straps (the bike tipped over on my way home). I had a 2 gallon gas tank that I used for my lawn mower and not so much as a tire gauge for tools. Now, after sucking as much advice and wisdom out of these good folks here, and listening intently to what they have to say, I am much more independant. Like a lot of folks here, I change my own tires and do my own repairs and maintenance. A lot of people in NESBA have been this for so long that they don't even know that they know so much. So ask a lot of questions but be willing to try what they say.

My advice to you is to not only ask the questions (like you have been) but to also take some of the advice. If you intend to be around the racetrack for any length of time, you need to soften that skull and open your mind, young fella!

Have a great time at the track and remember: LISTEN!

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w57/spn_imgs/blahblah.jpg

[blueninja1]

LAAAAWL!! thx for startin my morning off right. :D

[jfeagin]

Hey, BN! Do me a favor, would you? Wear a sandwich board or something so we can all find and meet you easily. Be prepared to sign autographs. :D

[blueninja1]

i'll be wearing the T-shirt that says "save the ta-tas"

LOL jk, i'll figure something out to make me stick out from the crowd and easy to find.


well i'm off to class, catch up later 2nite.

[bugmn20]

Hey, BN! Do me a favor, would you? Wear a sandwich board or something so we can all find and meet you easily. Be prepared to sign autographs. :D

Rofl... you guys are killing me, but keep it coming!:adore:

[Saltman]

Make sure you guys post up how this trackday goes. Hope you guys don't get rain. I'll be at Barber where the forecast is Sunshine and 70 degrees! :p

Still, I would just LOVE to be up there and witness BN finally making it to the track. BN, how are you getting there? Uhaul trailer?

[blueninja1]

a very nice man (maxpr1) is givin me a tow. and don't worry, i'll put on a good show for my adoring fans.


:D

[blankwall]

Along with mikey I will be there early saturday morning if u need a mechanical hand. Big red f150 with racing stripe. my name is Tyler. See u there.

[Fastguy]

and don't worry, i'll put on a good show for my adoring fans.



In all seriousness, its one thing to joke on the forum but take it easy on your first track day. Dont succumb to the pressures that the guys/gals on this forum are subjecting you to. As the date draws closer to your trackday, ride smartly and within your ability.

I hope that the C/R keep an eye out for you at registration to assist you in having a good first day and returing home the way that you arrived . . . in one piece.

Most importantly, have fun.

[borislav]

In all seriousness, its one thing to joke on the forum but take it easy on your first track day. Dont succumb to the pressures that the guys/gals on this forum are subjecting you to. As the date draws closer to your trackday, ride smartly and within your ability.

I hope that the C/R keep an eye out for you at registration to assist you in having a good first day and returing home the way that you arrived . . . in one piece.

Most importantly, have fun.

I highly agree with Rob but MOST IMPORTANTLY BE SAFE!!!
By riding SAFE you are helping others to be SAFE!!!

GOOD LUCK!!!

[rk97]

so inquiring minds want to know - what the hell happened?

[blueninja1]

i've got a lot to learn. pretty much sums it up perfectly. i gave a detailed write-up in the april 4/2-4/3 rollcall thread.

[blueninja1]

http://tracktalk.nesba.com/showthread.php?t=18068&page=24

[Mikey75702]

Sorry blueninja.... I had to look this up for a guy on the TL forums telling us how he needed a 200hp TL.... and I thought of your early posts.... figured I would give you some more razzing :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jj4ftAuFyg

[Fastguy]

Sorry blueninja.... I had to look this up for a guy on the TL forums telling us how he needed a 200hp TL.... and I thought of your early posts.... figured I would give you some more razzing :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jj4ftAuFyg

Now that skit was funny. :poorguy:

[blueninja1]

lol dude. i gotta write up 60 pages worth of reports for school, do a take-home test, and powerpoint presentation within the next week.

i'm gettin my butt kicked as is, and you add the whip cream on. you big bastard! :argh:

[Mikey75702]

lol dude. i gotta write up 60 pages worth of reports for school, do a take-home test, and powerpoint presentation within the next week.

i'm gettin my butt kicked as is, and you add the whip cream on. you big bastard! :argh:

Sorry man... had too.... it fit so well before this weekend. Glad to see you are still able to joke around. Hurry up and get that school work done so you can come back out and play with us :D

[RyanITV]

lol dude. i gotta write up 60 pages worth of reports for school, do a take-home test, and powerpoint presentation within the next week.

i'm gettin my butt kicked as is, and you add the whip cream on. you big bastard! :argh:

The next NESBA day you're at come track me down - I trailed you for 3 laps to get it on video. I can break some of the mistakes you were doing down for you as we watch it, it's a good learning tool. I'm not posting here as your positive change in attitude merits consideration. :)

Alternatively, shoot me a PM and I can post it as a private video on YouTube and send you the link. I'd still like to review with you at some point, though.

Ryan

[rk97]

I thank all that is holy that there is no video of me from my first trackday.

Actually, i think there is, but I am in it for about .5 seconds while the camera bike blows by. Any longer would have been truly embarrassing.

[blueninja1]

lol it's good to know that i'm not alone. thx for the consolation

[Mikey75702]

lol it's good to know that i'm not alone. thx for the consolation


Most of us did less then stellar on our first trackday. We all just kept off the forums before hand :D



Don't feel bad... most of us quietly felt we were the fastest man alive before coming to the track. Then we quickly found out the same thing you did, WE'RE NOT... Miller is :D (you have to make it to one of his morning b group meetings.) Hell I was feeling quite fast at the front of the B group, then I got bumped.... (actually the last few days I havent been feeling that fast).... and I think everyone gets this ONE lap from time to time where they are feeling like the stars are aligning and they are screaming along... then a cr passes them, and taps their helmet... pontrelli had a nice talk with me over the weekend and was explaining even the cr's have things they need to work on. It might not be as drastic as us slow folks, but we all have things to get better at. Just keep working at it, and go out to HAVE FUN, not to set fast laps.

[ontheR6]

lol it's good to know that i'm not alone. thx for the consolation

Trust me, u r not alone!!!!
I still remember my first day very well!!!
It was with another org, and while registering at the track, they asked me what group i was in, and my reply was that i feel that i am an advanced rider.
Thank goodness one of the coaches advised me to try the beginner group for the first session only, the result was that i couldn't even keep up with the slowest rider in the B group (the slowest B group in all orgs), and i actually got lapped!!!!
I was so demoralized and embarassed, almost cried like a little girl :o

I didn't even know that i had to adjust the tire pressures for track use..........

Had never heard of:
Trail breaking
Suspension upgrades
Steel braided lines
etc.........



Don't feel bad, every single one of us felt what u felt.
Welcome!!!!!